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reb4

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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2011 8:55:09 AM

Since you get roughly 20% less power from ethanol made from corn, need to get a gallon for roughly 20% less...
I don't own an e85 vehicle, so mute point for me...E85 Prices reporting with state map.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:01:33 PM

Elmhurst, IL - Power - 3.199 for e85, 3.399 for e10

Wood Dale, IL - Citgo - 3.09 for e85, 3.399 for e10

Why Silverstreaker, thanks for stopping by... Hows the weather up north?
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:07:26 PM

ber5 is an alias of reb4. The writing styles are the same, the names are similar...
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:32:24 PM

I wonder if ber5 has the point; the corn belt will keep the price spread wider to make it economical.

I would really like to know why? Politics, subsidies, proximity stocks to market, less intelligence?
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 4:05:06 AM

We could use the E85 reporting option in GasBuddy.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 7:49:12 PM

Elmhurst, IL - Power - 3.059 for e85, 3.299 for e10

Wood Dale, IL - Citgo - 3.49 for e85, 3.249 for e10

Franklin Park, Il - BP - 3.59 for e85 - 3.59 for e10

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reb4
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 9:05:17 PM

POWER in Elmhurst, e85 - 3.04, e10 - 3.24

BP in Franklin Park, e85 - 3.69, e10 - 3.59
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 11:11:04 PM

Thanks for posting this information.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 11:12:30 AM

Good read. Thanks.
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 11:21:56 PM

ber5, you make a good point, although many of the price spreads up here have narrowed considerably. A couple of us in the past month have found a station or two in the Midwest with E85 priced more expensively than E10!
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 7:05:39 PM

Wow 400 miles on a tank. Be interested to know how it goes... If your gonna use E85 better do it up in the corn belt, it's not gonna be much cheaper down in Oklahoma, Texas or Arizona...

Have a nice and safe trip...
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 9:46:51 AM

I will be using the fuel log book that Gas Buddy has on here. I have used it on other trips to Arizona. I will be filling up tomorrow, for the second tank of this new vehicle, since I bought it, and will get everything entered into the log book. This is my third Town and Country, and have not been disappointed yet in the other 2, so we will see how this one goes. It has an econ button on it, so I will read up on that to see what that is all about. I own 2 other vehicles that have a second button on the floor shift, that will increase RPM's if you need it. Maybe this is also like that too.

[Edited by: 69mustang at 12/10/2012 10:48:10 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:21:24 AM

e85 burns HOT so it gets lower fuel mpgl... just like a v8 engine
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:16:24 PM

69mustang, congrats on your new vehicle. As ProfDude points out, the EPA estimates are calculated and if you've read the news recently, they have had many vehicles lately where they have posted bad mileage estimates. The only way for you to know is to calculate your cost per mile using several tanks of the same type of fuel.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 9:40:55 PM

I am still on my first tank, and they filled it up at the dealership before I left. There was about 25 miles on it, and that was from myself and my wife trying it out. I have 349 miles on it, and I am just below a quarter of a tank. I have to figure out how to use the computer that tells you how much miles are left on the tank. I know out on the Interstate, at 70 MPH, I am at 1500 rpm. It has a 6 speed transmission in it. I will know more when we go to Phoenix. Last year, we got 29 MPG coming across New Mexico, and that was with our 2010 Town and Country.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 8:01:38 PM

69mustang, thanks for checking in with your E-85 concerns.

Your reaction to E-85 use is a common one. Indeed, as reb4 has pointed out may times, most flex-fuel vehicle owners only use conventional gasoline (E-0 to E-10) in their vehicles. Most never try E-85, or ever planned to when they made their car/truck purchase.

What you should be aware about the EPA estimates for E-85 is that they are not tested. They are based entirely upon the energy difference between ethanol and gasoline, and are a mathematical calculation alone. According to posters here on GB, some cars will do much better, and some much worse.

The cost for a few tanks (the difference for a month or two will be nominal) and some experimentation may help you to see first hand for yourself, rather than take what is a reasonable but untested presumption about mileage from a government agency that some people really love to hate.

My two flex fuel vehicles performed very differently on E-85 compared to gasoline. I still prefer to run my 2002 Chevy Suburban on E-85 if for no other reason than it runs much, much better on E-85 (more horsepower, but about 17% poorer mileage) whereas I got rid of my 2003 Sable last year because I didn't like how it ran on either E-10 or E-85 (at least 25% maybe 30% worse on E-85, and it ran noticeably rougher in cool weather, and I also had to change the oil every 3,000 miles rather than every 5,000). I only drive my Suburban about 500 miles per year anymore - mostly when I need to haul something.

So, although I salute you for looking into this option so far, I must recommend that you give it a try first hand, and then there will be no doubt as to your opinion, and the real experience it is based upon. Some experimenters here claim that an E-30 mix has worked the best for them, and in fact shows very little mpg degradation. They do this by splash blending a mix of E-85 and E-10.

I can neither affirm or deny such a claim based upon my own experience, but you now have the chance to learn first hand for yourself. (At least one user here claims a 50% loss of fuel efficiency with E-85!) As for me, I am a happy diesel driver these days.

Whatever fuel you choose, enjoy your new ride!



[Edited by: ProfDude at 12/9/2012 9:06:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 6:26:25 PM

I just bought a new 2013 Town and Country Limited, and ordered the books for it, since they only come with a CD, or DVD. The window sticker has the fuel mileage on what you should get. It says I can get 400 miles on a tank of gas, and also it has another line that shows the mileage if you use E-85, since it is a flex fuel engine. Now after seeing those statistics, I will never use E-85 in that vehicle. E-85, is only 280 miles per tank. I can't justify 120 miles that you would not get by not using the E-10. There is no price unless it was 1.00 a gallon difference that would make me use it. I got those books the other day from Chrysler, and it also says in there, that if you do use E-85, that you will need to change your oil more also. I guess it is a dirtier fuel to use.

If you don't believe me, drive down to your Chrysler dealer and look at the window sticker.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 5:28:31 PM

Thorntons in Oakbrook Terrace, e85 - 3.29, e10 3.39.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 9:26:04 PM

BP in Schiller park, e85 - 3.89, e10 - 3.79

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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 6:02:39 PM

BP in Schiller park, e85 - 3.89, e10 - 3.89

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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 7:33:31 PM

BP in Schiller park, e85 - 3.89, e10 - 3.79
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 5:24:17 PM

BP in Schiller park, e85 - 3.89, e10 - 3.79

1st time i've seen this...

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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 8:36:42 PM

citgo in Wood Dale, Il today. 3.209 for e85, 3.459 for e10.

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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2012 4:53:57 PM

Marathon Station in Berwyn had e85 for 3.49, e10 3.79, 4.19 diesel...
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 5:28:45 PM

BP station in Schiller park had e85 at 3.89 E10 3.99
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 9:30:49 PM

Wood Dale, 3.409 for e85, e10 3.799
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 8:32:58 PM

BP station in Shiller park had e85 at 3.89 E10 4.05
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:43:34 AM

yes, and in Iowa and the corn husker state, there is a ready supply of e0 fuel. I have to give credit to Minnesota, at least they have committed to requiring e10 in the entire state...
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 7:11:20 PM

reb4, one of many common, obvious and unusual factors in the retail marketplace for E85 - anywhere from too much supply for the local demand to none at all.

[Edited by: ProfDude at 9/30/2012 8:11:24 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 6:16:08 PM

wow, I just googled and found I had 8 e85 stations within 5 miles of my home... I new of 4 of them... We must be a hot bed of e85 sales....

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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 5:54:39 PM

BP station in Shiller park had e85 at 3.85. E10 and Diesel was at 4.199
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 3:51:30 PM

4.09 for e85, 4.39 for e10, 4.39 for diesel ... BP in Schiller Park
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2012 9:00:12 PM

Schiller Park, 4.099 for e85 - 4.299 for e10 - As of Sunday afternoon.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 2:35:51 PM

Schiller Park, 4.099 for e85 - 4.299 for e10 - As of Saturday afternoon.
4.159 for diesel...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2012 7:16:17 AM

I would fill up for a couple of tanks on e0 to see how well it performed. 10 - 30 cent difference would not make much difference to me... If I had the luxury, I would likely try using it 4 - 6 tanks.

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 9:48:33 PM

reb4, what kind of price would you need for E0 in relation to E10 to make it worthwhile, or do you know for certain? Perhaps you have never even had the chance to experiment due to the market conditions here that you already referred to.

I agree about Internet Explorer. I mostly use Firefox at the college and keep telling myself I should switch on my personal computers, too. I think my wife and daughters are Safari, Chrome and Firefox fans, in no particular order.
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 6:12:14 PM

Schiller Park, 4.099 for e85 - 4.299 for e10 - As of Sunday afternoon.

Prof Dude, thanks for that wealth of information. I would think a professor would not use internet explorer... In fact

Actually regarding e0, I would like to have the availability of e0 as an option, but unfortunately due to the freedom of others polluting the area i have lived in for many years, I am not afforded that luxury without ordering a specialty fuel or commuting over 70 miles to obtain it.
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 7:05:19 PM

No pricing, reb4, you are correct. I did not intend to imply that it was anything other than a better location database than any other I have seen for alternate fuel stations.

My use of E85prices.com was slow and cumbersome. I did not try it with any browser other than Internet Explorer and so maybe Firefox or Safari or Chrome would have been a better experience. It was just painfully slow to accept input of prices and so I have decided not to go back to that site to do so.

Also, I just do not need anything more than a simple website and system to use like GB and so I will put my efforts here while I can, and forget about E85prices.com unless or until something would change dramatically.

As for reporting stations, there is a form for doing so for that afdc.energy.gov site I posted earlier. They will gladly check out any suggestions for a new or different station and add it when they can. You should tell them about the Schiller Park BP.

On E85prices.com I also had to tell them about many stations of which they were unaware. E85refueling.com may be one of the worst maintained E85 station databases these days as I see many errors and omissions on that site and no clear and easy link to report them.

BTW, I think you do a reasonable job of managing and participating in the E85 and high ethanol content discussions that you are involved with here on GB, knowing that what you would really like to have is a handful of competitively priced E0 pumps located strategically along your daily commute.

I wish that I could provide them for you.
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 12:14:35 PM

professor, the site you listed didn't seem to have a way to see the price. Missing something?
It also did not have a station I know is in Schiller Park, Il.
Been there for a year (?).

As for Gasbuddy, I believe they are looking at other options.
I am sure it's an interesting issue since there are people always suggesting other suggestions as well.

ethanol free, cash vs credit prices, racing gas prices.

There is also the issue of octane (different in different areas) as well as the different blends of ethanol with locations that have blender pumps.

And what about charging locations, Natural gas, elctric, etc., etc.

I am sure if someone wanted to throw money at gasbuddy they would surely consider it...

Suggest a web site improvement
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reb4
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 11:58:06 AM

wow,

Schiller Park, 4.059 for e85 - 4.399 for e10 - As of Sunday afternoon.
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:45:16 PM

sounds great !!
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2012 7:01:46 PM

reb4, that sounds like a 12 cent or almost 4 percent increase in the E85 price at that Wood Dale Citgo, if I remember correctly from my last visit.

BTW, I don't really use the site you posted about in this thread. I did for a while, but I find it poorly coded or at least it does not like my browser or something. Data entry is not a happy experience for me and I have no time or use for clunky software.

Great idea, I just think it could use a much better designed and managed website.

I prefer the federal government's site. It seems to be more accurate in terms of station locations than most others I have tried. It just does not offer pricing.

I think the best solution for this is for GasBuddy to have an E85 reporting option, at least on the website, if not the mobile platforms. It would instantly become the most accurate and widely visited E85 price repository in North America.

[Edited by: ProfDude at 7/28/2012 8:08:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2012 5:29:27 PM

7/28 - Citgo in Wood Dale, Il e85 - 3.359 E10 - 3.69


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/28/2012 6:34:42 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2012 4:26:48 PM

07/01 - BP - Schiller Park $3.59 for e85, $3.69 for e10, 3.89 for diesel
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2012 10:06:03 PM

06/14 - BP - Schiller Park $3.59 for e85, $3.99 for e10, 3.79 for diesel
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 3:13:49 PM

the octane level is pretty clear... lots of problems with these pumps. I've reported them...
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 9:23:57 AM

reb4 asks "at this station - e85 is only 85 octane???"

Can't tell from your photos. I doubt that they can make 85 octane E85.
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 9:52:33 PM

reb4, that is an interesting photo link (and a bit confusing?!?) that you posted.

My recent E85 price posts for nine area stations can all be found here.

[Edited by: ProfDude at 6/3/2012 10:52:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 7:34:39 PM

e85 - citgo in Chicago (diversey and Central) 3.99

at this station - e85 is only 85 octane???

Diesel is 3.99 and

Racing fuel (with lead???) is 6.99.

4.07 for e10 (who knows what octane)...

4.17 for next level
4.27 for premium...



[Edited by: reb4 at 6/3/2012 8:36:14 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2012 7:05:56 PM

Yes reb4, I was in Wood Dale. There are two stations there that I cited with E85. I have apparently taken to surveying the E85 prices around the state of late and so every time I have a conference or meeting at a different location, I have been trying to find and publish the prices here for all to see. As you know, I have been using that other thread for this purpose.

As for the prize, a smart man would probably pass. I, on the other hand, am still thinking...
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