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Big Brother Zeros in on License Plates

WIRED.COM -- The town council in Tiburon, a Marin County community just north of San Francisco, has unanimously voted to install license plate recording cameras in a bid to bring down crime.

So what’s the story? Does the town have an unusually high level of violent crimes? Hardly. From 2001 to 2008, this community of less than 9,000 people saw a total of 47 violent crimes, of which only one was murder. And Marin County is the richest in all of California.

To add to the metropolis suburb Shangri-La image, the town boasts a median household income of over $100,000, a median home value of almost $2 million with a list of residents –past and present– that makes the cast of Oceans Eleven look like a high school musical.

Tiburon officials voted 4-0 — one member was absent — to install six license plate re

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fizbos Champion Author Maine Posts:2,092 Points:1,037,660 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 7:59:01 PM Ignore fizbos Report Abuse More government control!
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:43,421 Points:1,715,030 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:21:09 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse dave364 wrote: >these relates to gas and oil how??? The guideline for postings allow the following topics: "Articles should be on the topics of gas prices, crude oil, clean energy, fuel efficient vehicles or related automotive articles."
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:43,421 Points:1,715,030 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:16:30 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Don1222 wrote: >Stop violent crime. State Farm has some interesting trivia on their Web site about what vehicles are most frequently stolen. The top ten are either import brand or they're pickup trucks; all the Detroit Three pickup trucks are represented. The least frequently stolen are Buicks. >Buy American made in The United States. Nobody wants to steal American cars.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,989 Points:770,400 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 10:50:26 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse DanMtz from Oakland.... Agree! No telling what it might be used for...and it is overkill with such a high 'crime rate'. Tiburon is not a gated community. Note too that the plate info will be archived for 30 days....wanna bet on that one? [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 11/21/2009 11:51:29 AM EST]
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,017 Points:779,775 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 10:26:47 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Interesting. It seems like that data could be used for all kinds of sneaky, underhanded purposes if it fell into the wrong hands.
chemist74 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:12,392 Points:2,180,040 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 8:42:56 AM Ignore chemist74 Report Abuse If all they are doing is looking at the license plates as they drive by on public streets, they don't seem to be violating anyone's privacy. It does not matter whether it is done by a camera or a policeman sitting in his car and running all of the plates of the cars that drive by.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:11,161 Points:1,656,150 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 7:47:18 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse sounds to me like they just want to know who is in the neighborhood and be able to document it in the event something does happen. with only 9,000 people, most of them probably know each other and what they drive already. [Edited by: DerHahn at 11/21/2009 8:47:45 AM EST]
ArmydudeNC Champion Author North Carolina Posts:5,801 Points:915,400 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 7:14:09 AM Ignore ArmydudeNC Report Abuse Prime example of the Good Idea Fairy.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:6,329 Points:1,021,395 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 6:47:59 AM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse They want to try this where they think they can get a fair hearing. Or at least an uncontested trial period. Without getting into too many political issues. Must have been some money passing hands somewhere...
BH24 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:4,930 Points:1,116,675 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 6:39:40 AM Ignore BH24 Report Abuse Not to worry. It is Marin County, and whenever someone gets a ticket as a result of the new devices, the traffic court judge will dismiss charges if the offender "had a difficult childhood", was upset because of family pressures or had been distressed owing to the way that some minor political issue was playing out.
CAR42 Champion Author Ontario Posts:12,395 Points:1,304,680 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 6:05:30 AM Ignore CAR42 Report Abuse The start of the book 1984. BIG BROTHER IN CONTROL !!!! Next looking in the windows !!!!
captngasTN Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,523 Points:903,530 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:59:03 AM Ignore captngasTN Report Abuse I bet that will bring down the price of gas in the community. What?
Don1222 Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,802 Points:1,089,855 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:56:18 AM Ignore Don1222 Report Abuse Stop violent crime. Buy American made in The United States.
katmandue Champion Author Detroit Posts:5,764 Points:1,680,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:54:19 AM Ignore katmandue Report Abuse I don't see the problem
paoli8 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:4,920 Points:1,381,410 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:42:53 AM Ignore paoli8 Report Abuse These folks must be planning ahead when crime comes to their area.
Dkrdj5 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:4,830 Points:766,200 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:35:12 AM Ignore Dkrdj5 Report Abuse With these numbers, buying gas isn't their problem.
fordfan1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:6,746 Points:1,427,040 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:33:20 AM Ignore fordfan1 Report Abuse This relates to the price at the pump and how does it?
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:6,327 Points:1,235,305 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:27:47 AM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse We do not need more government control in this country. We American on the virge of bankruptcy because of this. When anarchy comes you want to see the crime rate rise.
naw62 Champion Author Maine Posts:7,135 Points:1,759,520 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:26:55 AM Ignore naw62 Report Abuse PEOPLE PUT ALL KINDS OF STORIES IN HERE
Fitwit Champion Author Stockton Posts:4,375 Points:945,525 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:24:57 AM Ignore Fitwit Report Abuse It sounds like they can afford it and unlike the rest of us who are looking for money to buy the necessities, they are looking for extra ways to spend their money.
dave364 Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,213 Points:1,011,220 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:22:41 AM Ignore dave364 Report Abuse these relates to gas and oil how???
BigDogOH Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:6,143 Points:1,343,845 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:13:34 AM Ignore BigDogOH Report Abuse TOO much Big Brother any more [Edited by: BigDogOH at 11/21/2009 6:16:06 AM EST]
mecforyou Champion Author Iowa Posts:2,093 Points:894,210 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:11:16 AM Ignore mecforyou Report Abuse Is this to slow people down?
Paw5X Champion Author Gary Posts:7,764 Points:1,880,570 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:09:23 AM Ignore Paw5X Report Abuse That is really going to bring down the price of fuel!
Petrock Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,777 Points:2,093,845 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:06:03 AM Ignore Petrock Report Abuse Whatever. Hardly a big issue of relevance to gasoline and oil prices.
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,936 Points:1,670,485 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:02:07 AM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse They have the money, so why not. By the way, a payment on a 2 million dollar home with 20% down, and an income of 100K does not compute. That's how we got into the financial mess we are in now. Not enough income to make the payments, even at 5% interest.
ifallsguy Champion Author Minnesota Posts:4,440 Points:1,216,705 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:00:39 AM Ignore ifallsguy Report Abuse I have a hunch a smart law student will make his name by taking this one to court. City officals will hopefully post this sign: WELCOME TO THE SOVIET REPUBLIC OF TIBURON where KGB is welcome
Mr.Chips Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,657 Points:1,431,295 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:57:38 AM Ignore Mr.Chips Report Abuse Not relevant to gas price.
Hunter724 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:5,772 Points:1,182,140 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:54:31 AM Ignore Hunter724 Report Abuse If they have the extra money go for it..
INDY51 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,096 Points:824,925 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:47:33 AM Ignore INDY51 Report Abuse TRAFFIC CAMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN USE IN MANY CITIES TO HELP IDENTIFY MOTORIST.
harleydoctor Champion Author Kansas Posts:4,985 Points:1,464,535 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:45:41 AM Ignore harleydoctor Report Abuse Just another reason I love podunk Kansas......
jpk13 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:6,328 Points:1,143,705 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:43:28 AM Ignore jpk13 Report Abuse Is this an attempt to keep their community "pure"?
findcheap Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:7,251 Points:1,545,920 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:40:30 AM Ignore findcheap Report Abuse Tiburon was a town to pass when I was driving along 101 Marin
fratt Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:7,509 Points:2,182,305 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:38:26 AM Ignore fratt Report Abuse INVASION OF PRIVACY!
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:1,922 Points:480,060 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:34:05 AM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse money sometimes allows, some people to due dumb things
jimraehl Champion Author Utah Posts:4,770 Points:1,178,460 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:33:19 AM Ignore jimraehl Report Abuse Too much invasion of privacy.
Doubleeez Champion Author Connecticut Posts:5,080 Points:908,695 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:19:39 AM Ignore Doubleeez Report Abuse Don't knock a town that wants to play it safe.
CPR54 Champion Author Austin Posts:8,117 Points:1,814,890 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:06:35 AM Ignore CPR54 Report Abuse big brother is everywhere
ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:7,557 Points:1,472,545 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:00:57 AM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse Maybe, they're just trying to be safe.
lisamls Veteran Author Sacramento Posts:398 Points:90,830 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:00:38 AM Ignore lisamls Report Abuse snooty
jeepman64 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:909 Points:847,660 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:59:11 AM Ignore jeepman64 Report Abuse Sounds like they want to keep the riff-raff out.
gordonfan05 Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,880 Points:1,020,950 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:56:59 AM Ignore gordonfan05 Report Abuse If you don't break the law then you won't even notice. The benefits outweigh the negatives.
la90042 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,402 Points:505,405 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:55:29 AM Ignore la90042 Report Abuse too much time and money on their hands - cut taxes and give money back instead of wasting it .
TIGERPAW46 Champion Author Florida Posts:5,168 Points:967,835 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:52:37 AM Ignore TIGERPAW46 Report Abuse Already all over the Streets; Corners and on Traffic lights. Even here in the Red Neck Riviera. Then you have all the Business & home security cameras, Gps tracking in cell phones, cars etc. & satellites that can read your license from space. You thought no one saw you! [Edited by: TIGERPAW46 at 11/21/2009 4:53:24 AM EST]
mdmceuensr Champion Author Arkansas Posts:16,124 Points:1,252,370 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:51:27 AM Ignore mdmceuensr Report Abuse This affected gas prices how? Did not even see the word "Gas" in this article.
sssowinski Veteran Author Sacramento Posts:447 Points:98,080 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:45:41 AM Ignore sssowinski Report Abuse silicon valley?
computernut2008 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,270 Points:903,270 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:35:28 AM Ignore computernut2008 Report Abuse The politicians are talking about that here too
saveongasNC Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,407 Points:1,094,015 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:34:28 AM Ignore saveongasNC Report Abuse Who cares!
1RedJellyBean Veteran Author Greensboro Posts:452 Points:209,075 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:26:18 AM Ignore 1RedJellyBean Report Abuse Meanwhile, gas prices here have been holding about the same for over 2 weeks now. Have a BLESSED weekend! Psalm 121
CokerNut Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,105 Points:398,800 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:25:41 AM Ignore CokerNut Report Abuse Will this work?