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EU to Host Talks on Opel 's Future with GM, European Governm

Detroit News - Auto Insider - AP -- The European Union will host a high-level meeting between GM and EU governments next week to discuss restructuring plans and aid for the troubled Opel unit, officials said Wednesday.

He said GM was looking for around euro3.3 billion ($4.9 billion) in loans from European governments to finance redundancies as well as restructuring. He said this was less than the euro4-5 billion required by Canadian carmaker Magna, which had bid to buy GM's European operations

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Submitted Nov 18, 2009 By: fordmexico

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Amtrgas Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,553 Points:1,234,045 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:24:02 PM Ignore Amtrgas Report Abuse GM is looking at getting money from all governments. Not just the United States.
Insp0999 All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:707 Points:266,160 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:21:32 PM Ignore Insp0999 Report Abuse Sure, let other governments foot the GM bill too!
rodzilla123 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,454 Points:621,055 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:19:13 PM Ignore rodzilla123 Report Abuse The OPAL is another desperate Auto idea like the YUGO, the FIAT, the RENAULT and several others that should just Die a quiet death.
jimgraham Champion Author Akron Posts:7,981 Points:1,517,820 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:09:58 PM Ignore jimgraham Report Abuse Sell Opel.
WCCurtis Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,304 Points:1,364,995 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:07:49 PM Ignore WCCurtis Report Abuse It would be better to give this money to the people, where it would do some good, not to GM.
mvosevich Champion Author St. Louis Posts:5,453 Points:1,108,165 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:05:37 PM Ignore mvosevich Report Abuse The U.S. bailout didn't work why would a european bailout be any different?
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:5,887 Points:1,290,185 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:04:21 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse glad our bail out money is helping europe
HEBster Champion Author Kentucky Posts:6,484 Points:1,920,015 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 10:02:01 PM Ignore HEBster Report Abuse Don't think this'll end well...
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:4,929 Points:1,281,405 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:57:52 PM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse Government Motors and Governments at work.
GasMiserAZ Champion Author Phoenix Posts:19,406 Points:1,214,465 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:56:36 PM Ignore GasMiserAZ Report Abuse GM is still trying to suck up taxpayer money.
ILANGE9 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,210 Points:1,135,650 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:49:31 PM Ignore ILANGE9 Report Abuse Let the market decide their future. If the cars are any good, bring them to America.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:5,639 Points:1,119,000 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:47:55 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse good luck!
B_John Rookie Author Lansing Posts:33 Points:36,060 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:45:40 PM Ignore B_John Report Abuse Maybe they should of sold some Opel in the US market.
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:5,734 Points:1,016,950 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:40:30 PM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse I bet Europe wont take stocks like we did that can lose billions of tax payers dollars.
sssowinski Veteran Author Sacramento Posts:447 Points:98,080 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:32:48 PM Ignore sssowinski Report Abuse no cents!
lisamls Veteran Author Sacramento Posts:398 Points:90,830 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:30:12 PM Ignore lisamls Report Abuse $$
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:15,422 Points:3,059,355 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:26:27 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse GM looking for more bailout funds (thankfully it is not the US taxpayers on the hook again). GM needs to go out of business.
hwnguy Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,580 Points:1,024,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:25:04 PM Ignore hwnguy Report Abuse Non-competitiveness
Somis1 Champion Author Ventura Posts:11,171 Points:2,167,140 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:19:05 PM Ignore Somis1 Report Abuse I saw in a news item the other day that GM is sitting on $42.5 billion in cash. Sorry, but that seems like a lot of money to me.
dollarwatcher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:5,575 Points:1,072,095 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:18:23 PM Ignore dollarwatcher Report Abuse Opel smopel, who cares, eh.
eaglev Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:3,254 Points:785,820 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:17:03 PM Ignore eaglev Report Abuse more of our $$$ going to other countries
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,320 Points:1,194,855 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:11:03 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse GM said they made all that money yet here they are again with their hand out.
GasHound2009 Veteran Author Dallas Posts:292 Points:110,555 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 9:01:07 PM Ignore GasHound2009 Report Abuse They can't or won't borrow from banks. Costs too much because the banks know it won't be paid back....
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:10,815 Points:1,253,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:56:58 PM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse GM and EU governments; I didn't know Government Motors had a government. Which representative of all those EU countries; their secretary of state; their Paintball wizzards; Most Euro Gubamints could care less about OPEL
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,170 Points:1,003,480 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:52:44 PM Ignore 2granny Report Abuse Looks they are always looking for a handout. They should learn from their mistakes.
Gas_Buzzer Champion Author South Carolina Posts:11,870 Points:2,169,620 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:51:19 PM Ignore Gas_Buzzer Report Abuse Yeah, with OUR tax dollars. This SUX!!!
TBayLiberty Rookie Author Ontario Posts:1 Points:120,445 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:49:53 PM Ignore TBayLiberty Report Abuse They should run their business well enough so that they can borrow from the bank like everyone else.
DosEquis26 Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,773 Points:1,545,470 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:49:21 PM Ignore DosEquis26 Report Abuse Quit complaining about the government unless you are voting and running for office.
Chitowner Champion Author Omaha Posts:3,162 Points:876,645 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:45:57 PM Ignore Chitowner Report Abuse what do you expect from a government run car company
14of45SSR Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:2,370 Points:831,290 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:44:30 PM Ignore 14of45SSR Report Abuse If they can't make it on their own then they should've sold it not kept it! Let them crash!
JoseM All-Star Author San Bernardino Posts:890 Points:605,010 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:43:04 PM Ignore JoseM Report Abuse Ok
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:6,505 Points:1,388,710 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:27:14 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse Go GM GO!
Cheney Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,562 Points:2,149,030 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:25:59 PM Ignore Cheney Report Abuse I'll keep all of your well-informed views in mind when I attend the meeting.
georgeo Champion Author California Posts:4,172 Points:178,965 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:25:32 PM Ignore georgeo Report Abuse Their decision will probably be that the US should pay the EU's loans.
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:4,361 Points:1,103,465 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:21:30 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse What a mess
hangupanddrive Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,076 Points:1,217,700 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 8:06:37 PM Ignore hangupanddrive Report Abuse Keep it make a profit or close it, PERIOD.
OGW Champion Author London Posts:3,357 Points:1,116,855 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:58:24 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse GM is still poorly operated. They should have been forced to sell off Opel not use our money in Europe to save their butt. Now they want more bonus money from the Europeans to pay themselves a bonus offshore.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:8,536 Points:1,669,900 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:54:19 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Spin it off pronto!
MINER Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:8,960 Points:2,585,815 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:52:04 PM Ignore MINER Report Abuse Gees, what an awful lot of businessmen have the answer's for huh.. I think GM will survive....
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:6,788 Points:2,302,885 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:44:29 PM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse THE U.S. BAILS THEM OUT AND NOW THEY WANT EUROPE TO DO THE SAME.
Chiron All-Star Author Tucson Posts:863 Points:342,085 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:42:12 PM Ignore Chiron Report Abuse What the h*** is going on with GM? Crawl off and die!!!! Quit pestering the world with your crap.
suzyq2007 Champion Author Dallas Posts:5,045 Points:1,224,950 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:35:42 PM Ignore suzyq2007 Report Abuse I thought this had already been taken care of
DABEE1073 Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,710 Points:1,110,640 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:34:03 PM Ignore DABEE1073 Report Abuse LETS SEE HOW MUCH MONEY THE EUROPEAN UNION IS GOING UP. I THINK ABOUT 10 BILLION SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY FAIR AMOUNT.
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:6,699 Points:1,510,975 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:24:52 PM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse What kind of crap is this? I thought that the U.S. already bailed out 2 companies and that result is questionable. Next, we'll have the Asian governments bailing out Asian car companies. Oh, oh! I forgot! The Asian government already owns them.
outlaw329 Champion Author Austin Posts:5,304 Points:935,845 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:22:13 PM Ignore outlaw329 Report Abuse Gm is done for and just bidding their time. They had their chance and blew it!
foxups Champion Author Toledo Posts:3,252 Points:645,060 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:12:50 PM Ignore foxups Report Abuse make them pay
RLH68 Champion Author Orlando Posts:3,961 Points:732,000 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:01:00 PM Ignore RLH68 Report Abuse Maybe if the GM execs concentrated on making quality vehicles instead of seeing how many millions of dollars they could steal from the company, GM might survive. I doubt it, though.
Gas Thirsty Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,404 Points:2,790,855 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 7:00:41 PM Ignore Gas Thirsty Report Abuse Troubled times for GM ...
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:6,736 Points:1,328,515 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 6:54:41 PM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse old news
nightworker998 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,189 Points:509,265 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2009 6:51:07 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse GM has been dying for years you just noticed?