honda0105

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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2010 6:58:05 AM
considering that the post from "all cars electric . com" is simply someone's opinion (I don't call it an article, nor real journalism) it's amazing how many ppl here get their hackles up.
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TomJDriver

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London
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 11:08:27 PM
Sneakers, I want to see them succeed with the Cruze and learn from it how to make a bread and butter product, and build on it.
Right on Jeannemarie. GM should hire you as head of marketing to help them stick to their guns and so it right.
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Sneakers55

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Houston
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 5:57:17 PM
CSharpGuy wrote:
>GM was going to drop the Volt, until Obumer (the new CEO) forced them to build it. >Great going Obumer.
All "Obumer" (to use your spelling of "Obama") wanted from Government Motors is a good Corolla.
They are thinking the name for that will be the Chevy Cruze.
[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 9/5/2010 7:00:18 PM EST]
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remay

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Houston
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 5:44:05 PM
"we think that the 2011 Volt advertising campaigns will use the fear of being stranded to sell the extended-range car"
That might work for a lot of people...
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OHMS

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:57:27 PM
or getting service for it
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chemist74

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:50:18 PM
The fear of limited range in an all-electric versus a hybrid is a legitimate concern but my fear of buying anything made by GM is a much bigger concern.
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TomJDriver

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London
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 11:08:03 AM
They want to patent the term "range anxiety" to scare you into thinking their product is the only one that will not leave you stranded. The word Anxiety instills just what it implies. Maybe (name your brand) should patent "range happiness".
From the article: "In what may be a counter productive move for GM, we think that the 2011 Volt advertising campaigns will use the fear of being stranded to sell the extended-range car."
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Martinman

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 7:31:20 AM
"Scare tactics" ?
BS !
There is a difference in marketing the advantages of your product over another. The fear is when you make the claim that if you don't by something (a product in this case), it will result in harm to you.
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CSharpGuy

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 7:23:17 AM
GM was going to drop the Volt, until Obumer (the new CEO) forced them to build it. Great going Obumer.
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Sisu58

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 1:03:29 AM
Lasing, How could you possibly know WHAT I want? It sure isn't that POS you posted.
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greywolves

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:52:56 AM
this is absurd. gm cannot supply its pre- release demand. dealers are charging up to $20,000 premium over sticker msrp ($41,000)to get on their allocation list!
this article is pure garbage. and reflects equally in the submitter.
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DonKofAK

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Anchorage
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:35:59 AM
The source of this article does not appear to be a mainstream "news & information" site.
The author weaves facts into a conclusion that GM is improperly using fear to market a product. It's been said virtually all advertisements use fear to sell products (give that some thought when you see a TV commercial).
The author raises fear-mongering to a new level -- not a particularly good level, either.
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Huskersed

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:34:37 AM
It won't for for my commute. Going to wait few more years before buying electric vehicle.
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jadeusa

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:29:56 AM
Volt = may be a Dolt. Needs to be proven as commuter car first.
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Lasing

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:26:06 AM
Number43, Obamma did not ask GM to build the Volt.
"The Volt was first announced by General Motors (GM) in January 2007 as a concept car. This site, GM-volt.com, was created on the same date to help compel GM to build the car.
On June 3rd, 2008, GM CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the board of GM approved moving the Volt to production.
On September 16th 2008, GM unveiled the production version Chevy Volt to the world."
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bbreff

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:25:27 AM
This is bull.
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Jeannemarie

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:23:57 AM
The best way to make a car saleable is to first design one that delights the eye, next have it convenient to use, next forget about the competition just do the best you can with that which you have developed. Your drivers will come.
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deacon260

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:20:35 AM
Sad.
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roadrunnerMO

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Kansas
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:17:21 AM
government motors and scare tactics will not work. Time to throw the bums in washington out of office is now.
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Number43

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:17:12 AM
GM is making what obamma wants, not what the people want. But it is none of my business what everyone else wishes. If you can use/need/want and can afford to purchass the volt or any other car,then you should do it. Likewise I will buy/use what I want and can afford an I don't give a damn who likes it. Now do you understand what I was saying-- lasing.
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250FORD

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:16:27 AM
96sc1 They can have the dog, I'm not buying.
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adr47

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Saskatchewan
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:12:11 AM
Price scares me
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SBlouch

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:11:34 AM
One look at the price tag is enough to scare anyone.
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Jeeputtputt

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:10:22 AM
BOO! I'm broke....
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vulcan96

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:07:48 AM
YES, the price tag is enough to scare anybody.....
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96sc1

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:06:42 AM
Buy a Volt or we'll kill the dog.
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civicdutie

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:05:58 AM
Scare Tactics? I know they are using scare tactics. I saw the price tag.
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JohnofGB

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2010 12:00:06 AM
Scare tactics??? Is someone hard up for real news???
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10k

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:59:56 PM
hey Z51-i was referring to the clemson tigers-not LSU..
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TFzoom

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:58:53 PM
Estimates are just that. We will see how each performs "when the rubber hits the road"
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Z51Corvette

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:58:21 PM
How about them Tigers... pussy cats... beat the 2nd and 3rd string teams of NC. Spare me... If NC doesn't turn the ball over due to a lack of experience. LSU might HAVE LOST! Sorry... folks... Your victory is tainted.
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Z51Corvette

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:55:30 PM
How much is this hype by the media and not by GM... I am leery of this one. Anyone with half a brain knows a statement like that is bogus!
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10k

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:54:24 PM
lol rekey..how bout them tigers today-woohoo..
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Lasing

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:54:07 PM
Xebra Electric Sedan
"Even after counting emissions from electric generating plants, Xebras produce 90% fewer pollutants than most current gas-powered cars."
"MSRP: $11,700 In Stock Now at Dealers Throughout the U.S."
Want this one Sisu58? Didn't think so. GM is making what people want, just not what you want.
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SeerLV

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:53:13 PM
This attitude that anything is acceptable to make a buck has to change.
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REKEY

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:52:05 PM
Sometimes fear sells product. Look at all the Y2K crap!
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bluegrasser1

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:44:49 PM
It 's always something or another!
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regasaz

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:41:48 PM
I fear this whole electric car issue is an Obama wannabe issue. GM is out of control with this administration pulling their strings. Should have let them go belly-up so they could eliminate the Union and get reorganized back into a leaner car manufacturing company. And I have been a GM person for the 55 years.
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Sisu58

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:37:07 PM
GM still either doesn't "get" or care about what America wants and needs.
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ModelWarships

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:34:50 PM
I fear we will be paying too much if we buy a Volt. I fear we will run out of juice before we get to our destination if we buy a volt. I fear the 0bama admin will subsidize the Volt with my tax dollars.
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Number43

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:29:26 PM
Most people use their cars in their vacations and day trips. I cannot drive to the Red River Gorge ( a local favorite ) and back with a 40 mile range. That does not include driving the scenic area backroads. Am I suppose to shut off one of the more pleasant parts of my life just to please a pack of liberals. Hell NO ! I am sure not going to buy the most expensive car by far that I have ever bought just to be green. And neither will most other people. Some will buy but most of those will regret it. A few will be too left or /and too stupid to figure it out. obamma can take his little green car and shove it.
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DrLyon

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:27:32 PM
Go for range...
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JettaKnight

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:23:33 PM
granitestater New Hampshire "Electric "MPG" does not include other uses for the onboard charge. Like running the A/C and radio/stereo, etc. What if you're stuck in a traffic jam? do you turn off everything to save idling costs?"
"idling costs"... are you serious? If your "stuck in a traffic jam", then the electric motors are OFF. THEY DON'T IDLE. The stereo likely consumes about 5-10W even with 6 speakers. An A/C unit? The engineers have already figured it out and factored it into the power consumption.
Electric vehicle range based upon a full charge is an estimate based upon ideal circumstances... just like MPG rating are on gas-powered vehicles. WHO actually gets THAT MPG rating?
If you ask about a "range per charge" for an electric vehicle, then WHY don't you ask a regular car dealer about a "range per full tank"??? You already KNOW why: It depends on driving conditions, operator driving style, hilly terrain, stop-and-go traffic, etc. Whatever will vary the load on an engine and take it away from the ideal operating constants.
Electric vehicles & electric hybrids all use regenerative braking — meaning that when you apply the brakes, the energy that would otherwise be lost is captured & used to recharge the batteries and extend its' operating capacity. Can an all-gas car do that to extend it's range? No.
Only in the last few years have the federal standards changed to more accurately simulate reality by including such loads when calculating MPGs. One would have similar expectations for quoted ranges of electric vehicles.
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esquared

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:23:30 PM
Unbiased source, of course.
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DJRIO

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:22:41 PM
waste of article
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Lasing

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:22:03 PM
The car is just about perfect given today's technology, and leaves lots of room for future advancements.
I have no use for a 10 ton dump truck, but that does not make it crap.
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:21:13 PM
go bankrupt and let real car mfgs do their thing
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billy44bo

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Mobile
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:19:03 PM
they have to the car is crap
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mfeldstein

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:19:02 PM
GM needs to get a new advertizing firm.
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Blue_Cruzer

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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2010 11:18:01 PM
I can't believe they actually think scare tactics will help.
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