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U.S. oil market anti-manipulation rule takes effect

Reuters -- A U.S. Federal Trade Commission rule takes effect on Wednesday that will hit energy traders and companies with fines of up to $1 million a day if they manipulate the oil markets.

The FTC unveiled the rule back in August to go after fraud in oil markets that it said could cause widespread damage to the U.S. economy. The old fine was just $11,000.

"This new rule will allow us to crack down on fraud and manipulation that can drive up prices at the pump," FTC Chairman Jon Leibowitz said at the time. "We will police the oil markets -- and if we find companies that are manipulating the markets, we will go after them."

The rule prohibits fraud or deceit both in the cash, or physical, energy markets and on the regulated futures exchanges.

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Submitted Nov 03, 2009 By: ziyulu

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kelsielee Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,384 Points:664,100 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 9:40:34 PM Ignore kelsielee Report Abuse This won't really help stop many of the activities of speculators since much of what they do is not outright fraud or deceipt. They will still cause many of the oil price upswings that we have seen in recent years.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,100 Points:1,145,300 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:26:27 PM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse this has been promised for some time now. let's see if it actually happens. if they do, the speculators will simply do their business on overseas markets.
Naturenut99 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:857 Points:155,550 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:55:59 PM Ignore Naturenut99 Report Abuse About time... Hope the one million dollars a day is enough teeth. As far as I'm concerned there shouldnt be "speculators" for oil anyway. That title for that commodity was ripe for the spoiling.
skybiker Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,330 Points:660,280 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:46:21 AM Ignore skybiker Report Abuse We hope this will work....
ruc2827 Veteran Author Illinois Posts:330 Points:283,970 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 10:15:08 AM Ignore ruc2827 Report Abuse The FTC acknowledges people are manipulating the market. http://www.stopoilspeculationnow.com for what more can be done. [Edited by: ruc2827 at 11/4/2009 11:15:23 AM EST]
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:2,458 Points:526,910 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:02:05 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse you think this will stop them
Goatroper Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,046 Points:413,165 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 8:00:59 AM Ignore Goatroper Report Abuse Well this is a step in the right direction.
jimraehl Champion Author Utah Posts:2,167 Points:666,615 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 6:16:33 AM Ignore jimraehl Report Abuse We'll see if anything comes of this.
Fitwit Champion Author Stockton Posts:2,072 Points:450,820 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 6:01:11 AM Ignore Fitwit Report Abuse Is this prohibiting fraud or profit? (I am just asking a question, because I really don't know in this case) With our current move toward Socialism, don't be too embracing of government controls.
ttwiw Champion Author Austin Posts:1,984 Points:914,670 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 5:23:30 AM Ignore ttwiw Report Abuse Yeah, it's about time!
FASTR1 Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,255 Points:835,570 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:48:16 AM Ignore FASTR1 Report Abuse This is good, if they can actually enforce it.
twobroke61 Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,433 Points:618,760 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:42:57 AM Ignore twobroke61 Report Abuse we will see if they carry through on this one it has been going on for so long that i doubt they do fine anyone at all they will just pocket the money and sweep the dirt under the rug as usual
wegman Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,903 Points:1,124,730 Joined:Jun 2001	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:36:11 AM Ignore wegman Report Abuse For some reason I think the rules themselves will be subject to manipulation - if the current regime doesn't like you, lots of investigators. If the Obama administration acts as ham handedly as I think they will, all this will do is push the trades off shore.
findcheap Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,648 Points:1,030,665 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:26:44 AM Ignore findcheap Report Abuse it won't work until it is tested by the manipulators
spiderjay Champion Author Little Rock Posts:2,250 Points:580,955 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:16:09 AM Ignore spiderjay Report Abuse see this hitting my wallet hard soon
nedthenanite Champion Author Mississippi Posts:4,038 Points:780,310 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:10:37 AM Ignore nedthenanite Report Abuse Yeah good luck with that. It's like the anti-gouging laws in many hurricane-prone states. Nothing much ever comes from it because it's almost impossible to enforce.
ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:5,143 Points:999,635 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:10:27 AM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse It's a good start.
cathevan Champion Author Manitoba Posts:2,132 Points:523,105 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:08:43 AM Ignore cathevan Report Abuse we'll have to see how well they follow up on enforcing this
lpj Champion Author Macon Posts:7,386 Points:1,523,040 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:56:37 AM Ignore lpj Report Abuse you will not have enough jail and fine takers to keep up with the crooks !!!!
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,457 Points:1,173,355 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:47:17 AM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse What's to prevent them from opening an offshore company, can they go after those located in another country?
genef01 Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,158 Points:698,340 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:46:01 AM Ignore genef01 Report Abuse This like closing the barn door after the horse has run away. Go after all of them, retailers included.
PetroScopper Champion Author Houston Posts:2,193 Points:598,525 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:44:01 AM Ignore PetroScopper Report Abuse This will probably take some time to actually have any affect but it's good to see that they're at least trying to do something... every little bit helps us get closer to being protected, as a consumer.
courier400 Champion Author Kansas Posts:9,730 Points:2,163,405 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:38:01 AM Ignore courier400 Report Abuse Greedy lot
gass12 Champion Author Omaha Posts:3,605 Points:1,338,540 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:35:40 AM Ignore gass12 Report Abuse We will see how this works out.
9C1 Champion Author Chicago Posts:17,679 Points:3,276,645 Joined:Jul 2001	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:31:09 AM Ignore 9C1 Report Abuse As others have said: now they have to enforce it, and figure out how to get the foreign traders to become honest also.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:3,477 Points:608,100 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:22:28 AM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Now, let's see if they enforce it.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:20,945 Points:1,833,340 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 2:19:50 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse Doesn't seem to be working so far.
rwm1 Champion Author Iowa Posts:1,940 Points:841,205 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 1:00:25 AM Ignore rwm1 Report Abuse Its good they recognize there was manipulation. Now if they enforce it. And those deep pockets don't find their ways to lobbyists. Also what about global prices? How do they keep that from being manipulated and we know it is.
IamWhoIam Champion Author San Francisco Posts:11,920 Points:1,197,455 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:59:06 AM Ignore IamWhoIam Report Abuse Sounds helpful.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:5,518 Points:885,745 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:55:36 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NOW
ops3 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,229 Points:737,025 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:41:54 AM Ignore ops3 Report Abuse About time
Saturn93 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:4,220 Points:1,010,765 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:37:15 AM Ignore Saturn93 Report Abuse Good luck enforcing the fines with foreign traders.
sjambok Champion Author Nashville Posts:5,332 Points:1,136,370 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:35:53 AM Ignore sjambok Report Abuse how can one prove that the oil markets are being manipulated? That's going to take all the attention of the watchdog committee, and while they're paying attention to making sure the market isn't being manipulated, you've got Bernie Madoff and his ilk, fleecing investors with their various ponzi schemes.
Pstreicher All-Star Author Tampa Posts:812 Points:290,040 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:35:47 AM Ignore Pstreicher Report Abuse How is this going to be monitored and with what resources?
RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:7,648 Points:615,180 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:32:22 AM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse Does this go for hussien too? He is still insisting that he wants gas to level off between $3.50 and $4.00 a gallon despite the price of oil. He said this would encourage people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles. In other words, if you dont do what he wants on your own, he will drive prices up until you have no choice. Thats change for you. Never in my life time did I not have choices in America.
pbc2001 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,311 Points:416,430 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:26:51 AM Ignore pbc2001 Report Abuse We shall see how it all would work out.
jadeusa Champion Author Dallas Posts:4,266 Points:871,410 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:25:37 AM Ignore jadeusa Report Abuse Sounds good, but probably won't work. There needs to be limits of trading within a time period just like the SEC put into slow down computer trading.
spike1zz Champion Author Indiana Posts:5,160 Points:643,570 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:25:26 AM Ignore spike1zz Report Abuse Put a rule in to send gougers to jail. Oh, thats right they do, they just don't do it. Our government working hard for the working class.
Panama Red Champion Author San Diego Posts:6,176 Points:1,551,090 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:21:39 AM Ignore Panama Red Report Abuse The more things change, the more they stay the same. Big talk; no action.
pinkelefant Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:14,635 Points:1,749,185 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:13:24 AM Ignore pinkelefant Report Abuse Oh, I hope this works.
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:7,666 Points:1,233,185 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:11:51 AM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse Why do I just see this ending up with payoffs to leave traders/manipulators alone?
greenfog Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,709 Points:673,425 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:10:34 AM Ignore greenfog Report Abuse i can see the bribes and payoffs coming now. someone in the ftc is gonna get rich.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:17,913 Points:2,127,070 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:04:05 AM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse plus, they said they will not go after the retailer manipulators !
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:4,264 Points:835,625 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 4, 2009 12:03:08 AM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse About time! Now they need to enforce it
danny999 Champion Author Florida Posts:3,681 Points:658,860 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2009 11:59:51 PM Ignore danny999 Report Abuse AS THEY SAY........."LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER". I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE SEVERAL OF THESE GUYS BUSTED AND THROW THE KEY AWAY.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,991 Points:665,820 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2009 11:59:36 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse This FTC regulation in the CFR is just one small aspect of the tighter overall regulations to prohibit and fine illegal price manipulation. It is more important that members in this forum read the entire article before ranting and venting with half truths. Here is an important detail of the article that many ignored or conveniently overlooked before ranting: "In addition to looking for fraudulent activity in the cash market, the FTC says it will coordinate with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission on manipulation in the regulated futures markets. However, the FTC would not rule out acting alone in charging traders in the futures markets with manipulation if the CFTC decided not to pursue possible wrongdoing."
NightDiver Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,021 Points:732,835 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2009 11:59:01 PM Ignore NightDiver Report Abuse It won't stop them
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,600 Points:1,380,015 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2009 11:45:27 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse It is about time they did something. It is also time to take away the tax breaks and make them pay, they are not using the breaks as they were intended. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:17,913 Points:2,127,070 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2009 11:44:42 PM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse yea, yea, yea , & we all believe in santa claus !!
PioneerUrban Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,698 Points:532,505 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2009 11:40:31 PM Ignore PioneerUrban Report Abuse Time will tell....